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  • #587
    Gweg
    Keymaster

    Dude, I feel your pain.  This install has been runnig good on me since last July; little crashes here

    and there, mostly caused by program errors, nothing big.  But, this weekend, it got worse.  Saturday, I

    was playing a little NFS: Most Wanted, and the game crashed.  Ok, it's done that to me before, nothing

    big.  I was thinking of rebooting but didn't feel like it, so I was just browsing my hard drives, looking

    for something to do, when Explorer suddenly crashed.  I was going to reboot now, except, I couldn't. 

    Windows start systematcally crashing every program that was running — I was no longer in control — things were

    crashing faster than I could hit the OK button.  So, I took things into my own hands and yanked the power plug

    (this is NOT recommended, as you can easily damage data and/or your hardware — if do if shutting down or restarting

    does seem to work — for some reason my computer never reboots when I hit my reset button, so I dont' know

    what's up with that).  Ok, so I waited a little bit, turned it back on, and like Colvin, was in a constant

    state of rebooting, didn't even want to go into safe mode.  Finally after like 6 times, it ran checkdisk,

    twice, and Windows finally started.  Problem solved, or so I thought. . .

    Sunday, I was working a

    little in Maya, got finished with what I needed, saved, and closed the program.  A few seconds after that,

    Explorer crashed again.  This time, I was trying to reboot as fast as I could, but as soon as I hit 'Start

    — Shut Down', this dialog box with nothing but gibberish popped up, taking up half the screen.  And

    Windows started crashing everything again.  So, I did the manual powerdown again.  Powered it up again,

    this time checkdisk ran the first time, and found all kinds of damaged and orphened files.  I wasn't the

    least bit happy at this point.  Once Windows booted, it I got a message right away saying my current copy of

    the registry was damaged, so a copy was loaded from a backup.  I was a little worried, but everything seemed to

    be working fine; until I loaded Photoshop.  Once PS loaded, I got an error message saying that PS's font

    reader was corrupt.  And later, I found a few of my smaller programs weren't even loading.  Now

    I'm mad.

    So, I've spent the last couple of days reinstalling things and trying to locate the

    source of the problem, as this has never happened before, and I did nothing Saturday that I haven't done 10,000

    times before.  I've been running Norton Antivirus, Spybot, and Adware 3 or 4 times a day, just to make

    sure it's not an infection of some type.  Nothing so far.  I almost believe it has something to do

    with all the junk that the school makes us run, just so we can get 'net acess, like Cisco Clean Access Agent

    (which is a completely buggy, worthless program).

    What I really need to do is format and reinstall, but I

    don't have time here at school, so my advice is that if you get stuck in a college dorm, which makes you

    install junk cuz the IT guys thinks this stuff keeps their networks safe, get yourself a spare hard drive, make an

    image of your install before you go to school, and if crap like this happens, just ghost it, and your back on your

    way (unless you feel like spending a weekend reloading when you have a buttload of homework you need to get done on

    top of that).

    #588
    tcolvinMI
    Keymaster

    This is exactly why I reload about every six months.  Just to avoid issues like this.  Im very

    familiar with some of the IT networking junkies who think software is the answer to all of their problems.  I

    have found after much experimentation that in order to prevent a system from getting bombarded with crap, you need

    to do the following.

    Install Firefox – I know there are a lot of people out there who are hooked on IE

    and dont want to switch.  However, in this case, its absolutely incredible how much better your computer will

    run by using Firefox.  There is a handy extension that you can get called Adblock, which works in addition to

    the popup blocker written into Firefox.  Whatever the popup blocker doesnt catch, adblock will.  The only

    disadvantage to running firefox in my opinion is the fact that you have to install several plugins in order to get

    some things working, such as the Flash plugin and the java plugin.  However, this also has to be done with IE,

    so its really not a disadvantage.  The tabbed web browsing experience is so much better in my opinion because

    you only have to have one browser open instead of three or four.  This reduces memory usage by half, if not

    more by having a tabbed browser. 

    A good firewall – and by good firewall, Im not talking about the

    Windows Firewall that comes with SP2.  Im talking about a third party firewall such as Zone Alarm. 

    I've been running Zone Alarm for about 4 years and it can be a bit tricky to learn to use, but the advantages

    outweigh the disadvantages in my opinion.  Plus, Zone Alarm comes with an anti-spyware featureset that is a

    good addition to any spyware solution.  It updates automatically, and can be configured to scan on up to a

    daily basis, if thats what you're looking for.  Having a firewall that has been properly configured will

    definitely prevent unwanted services and programs, such as viruses, from getting into your computer, unless you

    allow it to do so.

    Spyware Blocker – This is incredibly important.  It doesnt really matter which

    spyware blocker you have.  I have noticed that no spyware blocker removes 100% of spyware.  Ive seen

    Spybot get rid of spyware that Ad-aware could not remove, and vice-versa.  However, not that Im against spybot,

    because I think its a good program, but in my configuration, I always run Ad-Aware Professional, which comes with

    Ad-Watch.  Leave Ad-watch running in conjunction to running your other spyware tools.  It will pick up any

    activity to the system and ask the user if they wish to allow a change to the system. 

    Diligent

    maintenance and monitoring – This is the most important.  It is a poor assumption to think that just because

    you have all of these wonderful tools installed on your system that you are 100% safe.  This is not the

    case.  Some of these tools allow for user intervention that may cause a problem because the user bypassed their

    security.  Make it a point to watch where you go on the internet, and especially what you download to your

    computer. 

    Warning:  This is just a configuration that has worked for me.  I have

    configured this on other systems with some success, but you really need to find what works for you.  There are

    a lot of people who run different configurations with as much success as Ive had with mine.  This is not to say

    they're wrong, just different.  Thats ok, as long as you find a configuration that prevents any of that

    garbage from getting into your computer and totally screwing it up.

    One other point, before installing

    anything on your system, unless you're familiar with the software, talk to someone you feel comfortable with

    and is knowledgeable about such types of software.  Do not take one person's opinion about software

    either.  Make sure you get an unbiased review on your software prior to installation.  The only exception

    to this would be if you're experimenting with software on a regular basis and can rebuild your own system, or

    know someone willing to do it for you.  Just be careful.

    #589
    Scott
    Participant

    Iv never had super serious computer problems like both of you seem to get multiple times every year. 

    Once my hard drive died and once a cd exploded in the drive while I was playing a game, thats about it.  The

    only odd computer thing I have now is the zombie case fan, a case fan iv never heard before suddenly came groaning

    to life, every once in a while it will stop but it always comes back to life, it's strange. 

    I'm happy to say I have yet to crack the seal on my case since I got this computer in early summer.  Wow

    alienware makes some great computers, it's a crime against humanity that dell bought them out.

    #590
    Gweg
    Keymaster

    Well, that sucks, Dell will more than likely ruin them.  Colvin and I have always had strange issues,

    I think in part cuz we dig deeper into our systems further than most people dare to go (I'm always optimizing

    Windows to make it run faster, every little bit helps).  My problem this year is all this junk I have to have

    installed so I can just get on the internet, it's not nice and easy like it was at SCAD where you just put in

    your ID number and password.  Here, we have to run this login program called Cisco Clean Access Agent, which

    doesn't do much but slow your system and it's access to the internet (on top of the fact it always has an

    'error 87', which no one knows, the IT guys, and Cisco themselves, what it means).  Then we have to

    run Mircosoft's anit-spyware program (which doesn't catch anything, nothing, and anyone out there

    who's running it thinking it's awesome, run something else like Spybot or Adaware, and then see if you

    think the same about it after one of those 2 programs catches thousand's of things MS's

    didn't).  Windows firewall HAS to be turned on (like Colvin said, it's not a real firewall, and all

    it does is hog resources).  And on top of all that, everytime a new update or patch for XP comes out, we have

    to update, and 99% of the time, that's the cause of most problems (the other thing, only computer's

    running XP have net access here, Linux, Macs, or any O/S other than XP can't get on).

    Colvin has a

    great outline posted above.  I agree, Firefox is the best thing to happen to the internet, since the

    internet.  I normally don't have these kinds of software problems (other than the reload thing, but Tim

    and I have proven that most systems do require a reinstall every 6 months to stay in top shape), until I got here at

    this school.  I've always had bad luck with hardware, but that's a different topic in of itself.

    #591
    tcolvinMI
    Keymaster

    well, in my opinion, better Dell than Gateway or HP.  At least Dell is somewhat respectable in the

    retail field.  Im just really concerned about the quality of the systems.  Dell does make some hellasweet

    gaming systems, so hopefully their gaming systems will improve with the acquisition of Alienware. 

    #234
    tcolvinMI
    Keymaster

    So the other night my computer crashed.  Now I didnt think anything of it when it froze, primarily

    because I was too tired to care.  However, last night when I went to boot my computer up, I was given a nice

    surprise, a continuous loop of rebooting.  So I took the drive out and had my neighbor try to get the data off

    of it.  Windows wouldnt even recognize the drive.  However, after sitting around being mad for about 2

    hours (Most users think that these sorts of things dont happen to those who work on them, but I got news for anyone

    reading this who doesnt think our computers crash, our crashes are usually worse because we can usually pinpoint

    what the problem is faster than we can resolve the problem by waiting on parts or the computer to process), I

    decided to give Knoppix a try.  For those who havent been schooled in LiveCD's yet, Knoppix is a version

    of Linux that comes entirely on a CD.  You can boot your computer with the CD in the drive and it will boot to

    a linux environment, with a ton of tools at your disposal.  The upside to this type of software is that, if you

    need a certain set of tools that you know are going to be on this CD, it may just save your life.  Last night,

    Knoppix did that for me.  I had some data on that hard drive that I was unable to retrieve until I booted

    Knoppix.  Knoppix recognized the drive right away, and allowed me to navigate to the folders I needed and burn

    them to CD.  The CD burning was a little tricky, but after a few minutes, I was able to do it with no

    problem.  Backing the data up was a huge relief.  Now onto restoration of the drive.

    The first

    thing I tried was just a plain old format through Windows XP.  The format process got about 80% through and

    then failed.  So rather than call Dell, because I hate talking on the phone unless I absolutely have to,

    especially to tech support guys who cant even tie their own shoe, let alone even say the word shoe in English, I

    decided to start looking for some tools to low level format the drive.  A low level format will basically

    NULLIFY the entire drive, making it so it has no data on it whatsoever.  This is different from a basic format,

    as it just removes all of the pointers to data on the drive.  This is how data retrieval is done, as long as a

    low level format hasnt taken place, there's always the possibility of getting your data back.  So I

    searched for a low level format utility from Seagate.  Now, I dont use too much Seagate hardware, as Ive had

    some issues with it in the past.  But I have to give props to Seagate for the awesome disk wizard tool.  I

    ran the low level format overnight last night, and it said it was successful this morning when I got up.  I did

    a quick format on the hard drive, which was successful.  Now just to install Windows!

    Several things

    stick out in my mind about this process.  1) Always back up your data!  Usually Im pretty good about

    keeping anything that I really want to have on my external hard drive.  2) Always have a neighbor close who has

    similar hardware.  This proves to be quite handy if yours fails.  Just have them slap it in their computer

    and see if they can at least get your data off. 3) Get the tools from the manufacturer now, even if you're not

    using them.  You never know when you may need them. 4) If you're saavy enough, keep a Linux Live CD

    around.  Never know when it might come in handy.

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